Experience with Curcumin & ginger?

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  1. Jane&Odin

    Jane&Odin New Member

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    I am using curcumin and ginger as supplements to fight Odin's lymphoma. He get's 1250 mg pr day of curcumin, I spread it out over 3 meals to ensure a steady flow since it leaves the blood fast. I also give it with olive oil or sardines to help his body absorb it.
    He get's 2 ts of chopped organic ginger as well in his breakfast.

    Does any one else have experience with using this?
    I've only been giving it for 13 days, so I would love to hear from other ppl.
    Dosage? How do you feel it works for you're dog?
     
  2. Laura1982

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    What is ginger meant to do pls.... kia has just been diagnosed with lythoma but vets have only given 6weeks max x
     
  3. Jane&Odin

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    A studie in humans have showed that it maks cancer cells commit suicide. My dog stopped eating his food after a while if I had ginger in it, so I had to stop using it.
    Curcumin has the same properties, but it also decreases cell growth, boosts the immune system, inhibits cancer cell division and growth and much more.
    This I'm still getting in him, but not has regulary as he should have it. He's getting picky on what he eats.
    We are in our 7 th week of the diagnosis, 9 th week if I count from when the first vet told me he probably had cancer. He has T cell lymphoma as well.
    He is doing quite well, I think his heart is a bigger problem than the cancer actually.

    So there is hope

    I only feedback Odin orijen, raw food, veggies and home made food. No grain (except gluten free oatmeal), and no white rice.

    I highly recommend the book canine nutrigenomics. It's an amazone kindle book that I payed 9.95 for
     
  4. DebB

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    Hello Jane

    Sorry to read your post. I'm in a similar boat to you. My dog, Ryley, diagnosed October with Stage 5 T Cell lymphoma (thymus and spine). He's been on Madison Wisconsin protocol but has this week relapsed after doing absolutely brilliantly for 3 months. The diagnosis in October and what's happened this week have both been such a shock.
    We're now on rescue protocol but I've been told the prognosis is not good, approx.half the time of the remission on the chemotherapy. I've asked my vet about turmeric which she's ok for him to use in another ten days as, like your dog, he's become very picky with his food. Partly due from queasiness from drugs and now suspicious of everything put in front of him. He's now on steroids which have increased his appetite thankfully but she doesn't want anything unsettling his stomach for now which turmeric can do. She's mentioned giving him a prescription turmeric, not home made. Am hoping we can try it. I've been avoiding giving him carbs as read they feed the cancer but she told me to give him rice. Confusing isn't it? Is your dog having chemo? Have you joined the FB group for turmeric users?
     
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    I'm so sorry you're baby has relapsed.
    Here they don't give you a stage the cancer, and it's just luck
     
  6. Jane&Odin

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    (Sorry, my phone keeps messing around)
    It's just dumb luck that I know Odin even has T cell lymphoma.

    I've stopped giving him curcumin. Now he only gets orijen kibble, raw food, home made and aloe vera. I started giving him pain meds on monday at he's a new dog! His appetite is back and he seems more happy.
    He gets 75 mg of something called rimadyl. 50 mg in the morning and 25 mg in the evening. His max dose is 100 mg, so I'm glad he dosen't need the full dose yet.

    If his appetite stays good and his stool is ok the next week I'll try starting up the curcumin again. I order capsuls online and open them so I can mix it in his food.
    I also tried spirulina, but that was a big hell no! :p
    I'm also trying to get a hold of omega 3, and after searching way to much I finally found a good one based on sardines.

    I would keep away from white rice, but I read that brown rice and gluten free oatmeal was ok. Maybe try the brown?

    We decided to not give chemo, he turned 13 y in january and I would rather have 1 good month with him than to put him through the stress of all those vet trips.

    I haven't heard about that fb group, could you post the name so I can find it?

    How old is Ryley?
     
  7. DebB

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    I understand you not going ahead with chemo at that age, seems a lot to go through for him.
    Ryley was just 5 when diagnosed in Oct and otherwise fit so worth the risk. Has the T cell lymphoma which apparently started in his thymus gland and by the time we knew there was something wrong it had already spread to 3 areas in his spine. He was a very fit healthy dog - or so I thought. Always fed grainfee foods, biscuits very rarely, and approx.50% raw. The first signs he had was reluctance to go on a walk and just 'off'. The vet took him in for blood tests etc and his back legs gave way that afternoon. We were rushed to a supervet who did an MRI suspecting a slipped disc so the cancer was an awful shock.
    He bounced back within days of starting chemo - literally, walking normally and went into remission but it's only lasted 3 months instead of the 6 it should do. This T cell lymphoma is pretty serious stuff sadly and not as easy to treat as the B cell. Well, none of it's easy is it? The rescue treatment he's just started has again had a quick effect but only lasts for around 6 weeks so I'm now deperate to boost him in the little time he has left. I spend most of my spare time poring over internet blogs and researching and I realised last night I'm probably wasting the valuable time I have left with him.
    The vet is planning to give us prescription turmeric and omega 3 when we return week after next (if he's well). Is all so painful isn't it.
    The Facebook Group is very good - has lots of files to read through and there's one specifically for canine cancer Turmeric User Group UK. Hope you find it
     
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    He`s only 5! :( I`m so sorry :( That`s way to young to have to loose him :(
    It sounds like it`s more agressive in Ryley than it is in Odin. We x rayed Odin at the first vet appointment and there was no sign it had spread. But all his lymph nods are way to big.

    Curcumine helps boost the immune system, so hopefully his stomach wont react to it. In research it has been given in doses up to 3500 mg pr day with no side effects/toxic effect. But it`s hard for they`re body to absorb it and it leaves the blood stream fast, so they should get it 3 times pr day and with a fatty food or oil. (you probably know this, but in case you don`t here it is :p )

    I downloaded an e kindle book called Canine Nutrigenomics from amazone for under 10 dollars and that`s were I found most of what I`ve been implementing on Odin. It`s an easy read and divided up, so you don`t have to read the hole thing. Just the part about cancer. Whitch saves time.
    But I get the feeling about wasting time on research.
    I went into panic mode when I got that final phonecall about Odin.
    After seeing our usual vet on a friday, we went to a specialist the next thuesday. 2 weeks later the phonecall came with test results from Germany. I think I knew after that first vet app, but after I hung up with the specialist I had a little brake down :(
    Odin has also always been a healthy dog (if you don`t count his allergies), I`ve known him since he popped out of his mom and he`s been in the family his hole life. 2 y ago he came to us to spend his "retirement" here with Pernille, our other dog that`s 3 months older than him.
    I always thought that he would outlive Pernille, but now he probably wont, so we might loose her when he goes. He took Pernille out of her depression after we lost my first dog, Micha. So they have been connected at the hip after he came :p

    I hope Ryley keeps doing good, keep me updated :)
     
  9. Glen

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    Have you heard of or tried the Budwig Diet? Anyone????????????
     
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    Jane&Odin New Member

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    I think I've read about it, but never tried it.
     
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    Did a quick google search to refresh my memory.
    I tried cottage cheese, but it came back up :( I gave veggies and apples in the begining, but Odin is getting picky about what he want's to eat :/
    I would never take away protein. First off my dogs are old, so they need more protein than a younger dog so they wont loose muscle mass. Second, meat is one of the easiest things to get Odin to eat. Third, it's what dogs are ment to eat.
    But flaxseed oil I want to try.
     
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  12. DebB

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    Hi Jane
    Yes 5 is just too bloody young to be losing him. It's such a horrible way to see your pet end their days isn't it. We had a lovely 3 hour walk yesterday, Ryley was on top form, until we got home. Indoors he becomes mopey, he's stopped sitting with me. He barely ate anything yesterday, I thought he'd be starving after tearing around but no, ate very little. This morning he was very sick (first time since being diagnosed). Today he's barely touched anything.
    I have an antacid tablet to give him every day but struggle to get it in him. Also 6 steroid tablets. Is proving very difficult. Again, he's been perfectly 'normal' on walks today. Will be calling the vet tomorrow.
    Hope Odin is doing well still. I have a friend in Australia with an Odin :)
     
  13. Glen

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    The theory of the Budwig Diet is to blend the flaxseed oil with the cottage cheese thereby making the omega-3s water soluable so the cells will absorb and whatever is supposed to happen does. Sorry I'm not more versed in the actual process. Dr. Budwig said that of all the patients and people she tested over her life 80% were deficient in omega-3. Somehow or other this process is supposed to make the cells "breath and divide properly again". At least that is my understanding. It does not happen overnight with this program (if it works). The process can take at a minimum 90 days and the actual full fledged diet is something that the dog (individual) will have to be on for at least 5 years if not for life. I do not want to subject Lilly to the CHOP program. Just my personal feelings. I have started to use prednis
     
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    I have found that cerenia has been a godsend in preventing the nausea/vomiting and has kept Chip eating. Prior to that he was a hot mess after vincristine treatments. I buy the cerenia online and it is small enough that you can place it in the back of the mouth and gently rub the throat so they swallow it. That is only our experience but I would recommend checking it out.
     
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    Thank you, I'll have a look for that. Not very impressed so far with the anti sickness meds we've been given which have been either nothing or an antacid.
     
  16. Jane&Odin

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    Just a thought, but maybe he just uses to much energy on the walks, so when he calmes down inside he feels the strain it took on him?
    I know my dogs work like that. We have to limit them, especially Pernille. If we allow her to go all out or walk her too far she gets sick (but she is the type that will walk until she drops).
    I know my dogs are way older than Ryley, but it's worth a try. Limit the walks and if he gets bored play mind games with him if he likes that :)

    Odin is still doing ok :) He's eating regularly *yeay* :D Now I can't wait until the heat in my car is fixed so I can take him in to town for short walks. We live smack in the middle in the woods, so he only wants to walk to the mailbox and back.
    A neighbor said it was probably because he knows he's sick and can't defend himself, so he stays were he feels safe. It makes sense, we do have a lot of wildlife here and the wolfs are back in the area as well.
     
  17. Ashley Holmes

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    Hi,
    I hope my post will be some kind of help. Curcumin and ginger are effective anti-inflammatory supplements for humans as well as for dogs. If they can battle cells with humans, they can also do the same thing with dogs. The presence of these two compounds forces the cancer cells to commit suicide.
    You can mix it proportionally to their food so they would be able to get ample amounts every meal. Thanks to these alternatives because costs are lessened.
     
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    10 days after writing this I said goodbye to Odin :(
    The pain meds diden't work more than 9-10 h and his stomach could only handle beef. My happy go lucky boy was fading away, so I decided to let him go before it got even worse :(
    I miss him so much
    Luckily Pernille is doing ok for now, her eating is a little up and down, but she is eating every day at least.
     
  19. Ashley Holmes

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    So sorry to hear that :(
    You did your best in sustaining his life and I'm sure he is genuinely happy about that.
    At least, no more pain and suffering for him now.
     
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    Good morning Humans......I have a mastiff named Fred the Head.....GREATEST DOG EVER!....I was loving on my Fred yesterday and his throat felt swollen....I have not been to the vet yet going this morning....I told my friend I am thankful for the internet.....I looked up lymph nodes in dogs and it appears they have several and his back legs have a small swollen spot....I am beside myself and don't know what to do.....when to let go of him....cant even bare to think of life without him....I don't know if I should put him down and avoid the suffering cancer brings....my boy is the pack leader and as mentioned dogs in packs will mask there pain to avoid disruption in the pack....I don't know....I KNOW IM NOT DOING CHEMO....first I cant afford it second he would suffer through that.....God help me and Fred through all of this and you all too....I believe I have depressed him by crying constantly....I am very emotional and I will be crying non stop...I think after reading this I will try curcumin and ginger but I also want to consider prednisone and pain meds....life is so cruel...I really don't know what my life will be without my Freddie the GENTLE GIANT and my protector....
     

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